Filme aus Israel in Erfurt zensiert
Shame on Grman Erfurt Squatters censoring films from demonstrations in Israel and Palestine at the indymedia film festival 7/7/2006
Yesterday, Friday the 7th of July, the film festival of indymedia Germany took place in the town of Erfrut at the local Squatting house near the north train station. (the location doesn't matter)
really few people arrived to the festival (about 50), a thing that can be explained by the organizers maybe by lack of publicity.
2 days ago, discussions blasted after an email that i wrote about showing videos and films of different film directors and video activists in Israel and Palestine of demonstrations, events, actions, and the every day life in Palestine.
I was informed by indymedia that if there will be time in the scheduled and depending on the content of the films, i may present them at the festival.
I came early, around 16:00 and showed the film to the IMC organizers They said that they think it's good and that i may present it. Later on, we scheduled 1:00 pm to screen some of the videos (about one hour) and to have a discussions later about the different things that will come up after the film.
The content of the videos that were chosen were demonstrations of Israeli activists inside Israel against the killings in Gaza – and there demos were oppressed violently by the police, similar to the demos we have here in Germany. Also, there were joint demos of Israeli, Palestinian and international peace activist, who demonstrate in the films together against the wall and do direct actions together such as chaining themselves to the wall or doing a theater act on checkpoints Those demos and actions are violently oppressed by the army and the border police, similar to the way demonstrations are being oppressed in other countries around the world.
When i looked around and enjoyed the festival, i was really happy i came because there were videos from different actions from all around in the world, and mostly in Europe. I could easily see how everywhere people are working together globally, against all different kinds of oppression mechanisms and how they are all violently oppressed Some actions and demos that i really remember were in ital, Netherlands, france, Spain, UK, and Germany. I felt that it is grate that Israeli and Palestinian activists would be presented to, to show that we are a part of this movement and to make people aware that not all Israelis are brutal soldiers and not all Arabs are terrorists, but there is a lare group of people working together for a better futur.
Around the time of 20:00, the local squatters wanted to view the contact of the film. I showed them the films and translated the part from Hebrew and Arabic During the films they asked some questions about my opinions, and i didn't deny that in my opinion it is not a balanced conflict but the Israelis have more power and they are the ones who occupy the Palestinians -But the movie doest discusse that but discuses the demonstration like any other film that was shown at the festival.
At the end if the screening, they decided that they are not ready to screen the film in their home, because of 2 main reasons:
1.
films that show the Israeli army and police oppressing demonstrators promotes antisemitism
2.
The films show only one side because they don't show Islamic terrorisms
One of them told me that on his opinion, the wall is good, because it protects the Jewish people and they should have their one state.
they also said that they have a long letter that is posted on the internet about the squats desiccation not to allow criticizers towards Israel, because of the place history and the holocaust.
I claimed that in my opinion this movie does the contary because it shows people that not all isrealies are brutal soldiers - many of them are activist against the things that the army is doing. For example, on the beginning of the film you see 2 recent demonstrations in Tel Aviv (10/6/2006 and 13/6/2006) of about 500 Israeli Jews, who demonstrate together on the streets against the Killings in Gaza. That demo was organized in a couple of hours at the same day that the killing took place, and it shows how big and how effective the activist movement in Israel really is. Those demos were oppressed violently like in Europe by the police. Here is a like to an internet version of one of the demos.
And also, i claimed that it's not a racist issue but a political one. The demonstrators are Jews and Arabs together! And not only that – the violent soldiers and policeman and woman are Arab druse, Ethiopians and Jews as well.
My last argument was that it doesn't matter if i am right or that they are right. Even if they think that my films are not good, or even if they think that they may support antisemitism i still may show the films and there topics should be discussed! It can't be left under the carped and ignored. A squat is an open space were people should be able to talk about topics that are contreversial in order to develom their minds, not only things that are consensuse.
One way or another, the squat collective decided in a consensuses between themselves that it should not be screen at the festival. I suggested maybe different videos from Israel and Palestine, i have more then 50 films that were made, some of those films by indymedia Israel distro. But they refused.
How can it be that on an indymedia film festival there is censorship, and not a censorship of a movie that is not relevant, or nor good, but a censorship due to right wing political opinions, that doest give a space for the left activists in Israel and Palestine because of German history.
One of the things that i always here from Israeli activist who visited Germany, is that a lot of German activists are supportive towards Israeli occupation of Palestine I understand that it may be hard for some Germans to criticize Israel, because of German history. I think that people should have the right to say their opinion and they also have the right to hide their opinions if they feel uncomfortable. But at the same way that i don't try to silent the ones who say that "Israel is doing a good thing with the wall" i think you should not try to silent the ones who claim the contrary!
How could it be that in Israel itself, it is still possible for an activist to express resistance towards the occupation in many ways, but in an activist leftist alternative squat in Germany, it is impossible The most conservative Film festivals around the world show movies about the Israeli occupation of Israeli and Palestinian film directors. How could it be that conservative places such as the Kan festival that represent the essence of capitalism are ready to be exposed to the Israeli and Palestinian left activists
I still didn't realise how seriose this thing is, and i think it should have consequences over the indymedia organization in Germany. The squatters hosting this festival refused to show indymedia films only from Israel such as "behind the disengagement" because they claim it promots antisemitism. They sound just like a right wing Zionist Israeli - and they are the one who promots all the things that they claim to be agaist. they do that by giving a back to the Israeli army to occupy millions. I don't care, they can give the back to whoever they want, people would realize what's going on in Gaza and the west bank, but why are they shutting the alternative views up? What to they have to be protected from?
I think that if they were really serious and if they really had good arguments that are pro occupation and pro wall, they would have allow the movie to be screened and talk about it later, like Israeli right wing activist do when they come to screening of left wing films and say their resist view after word. I don't care for squatters to be pro occupation or pro israeli as long as you allow other to exprese their views and you don't shut them up. If something like that would have happened in a squat in Israel, then that squat would be out of the activist chain and become alone. Not even one activist in Israel (Zionist, non-zionist, anarchist, communist) would allow such a thing and would contine to work with a squat the banns videos from non-violent demonstration against the wall.
At the end, everyone have the right to critic everything, everywhere, no matter what it says on his ID and no matter what color his passport is. First and foremost, we are all living creatures that has the basic right to be free and live a full and fulfilling life. The same way we shouldn't let borders such as nations, religion and race come between us, we shouldn't let those bounders define what we are allowed believe in an what not, and it should define what we are allowed to discuss and what not.
If it was a right wing conservative center that banned the films, then i would understand. But, The fact that the squatter see themselves as activist, or leftist, or anarchist that should create a more open and radical space, is what makes this incident the worst. The so called "squatters" (which i think are not following after the principles of squatting) would say the truth, that they are in fact conservative and have right-wing and narrow views. But not only about Israel, but also in general.
You can't eat the cake and leave it hole, you cant support demonstrations in Germany against the Army, against corporations, against the police, and against the animal exploitation, without supporting the same struggles in Israel for the reason of the history of Germany. Antisemitism is promoted by the main stream media that shows only violence in Israel and Palestine but doesn't show the demonstrators working together to change things.
But, at least, even if the squatters don't agree with all that i wrote here, they should never use censorship in order to protect themselves from those ideas i presented in this letter. They should let me and other indymedia activists who think differently then them, to express their ideas and say their opinion in a way that respects each other. If they don't want to do so, then i think that they shouldn't live in a squatting house, because squatting means more then taking over an unused house.
I hope this was helpful. Sorry for the bad English, and if i hurt anyone by this...
original report from IMC Israel:
https://israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/4794/index.php
link to the festival page: http://www.screen-flash.de.vu/
Yesterday, Friday the 7th of July, the film festival of indymedia Germany took place in the town of Erfrut at the local Squatting house near the north train station. (the location doesn't matter)
really few people arrived to the festival (about 50), a thing that can be explained by the organizers maybe by lack of publicity.
2 days ago, discussions blasted after an email that i wrote about showing videos and films of different film directors and video activists in Israel and Palestine of demonstrations, events, actions, and the every day life in Palestine.
I was informed by indymedia that if there will be time in the scheduled and depending on the content of the films, i may present them at the festival.
I came early, around 16:00 and showed the film to the IMC organizers They said that they think it's good and that i may present it. Later on, we scheduled 1:00 pm to screen some of the videos (about one hour) and to have a discussions later about the different things that will come up after the film.
The content of the videos that were chosen were demonstrations of Israeli activists inside Israel against the killings in Gaza – and there demos were oppressed violently by the police, similar to the demos we have here in Germany. Also, there were joint demos of Israeli, Palestinian and international peace activist, who demonstrate in the films together against the wall and do direct actions together such as chaining themselves to the wall or doing a theater act on checkpoints Those demos and actions are violently oppressed by the army and the border police, similar to the way demonstrations are being oppressed in other countries around the world.
When i looked around and enjoyed the festival, i was really happy i came because there were videos from different actions from all around in the world, and mostly in Europe. I could easily see how everywhere people are working together globally, against all different kinds of oppression mechanisms and how they are all violently oppressed Some actions and demos that i really remember were in ital, Netherlands, france, Spain, UK, and Germany. I felt that it is grate that Israeli and Palestinian activists would be presented to, to show that we are a part of this movement and to make people aware that not all Israelis are brutal soldiers and not all Arabs are terrorists, but there is a lare group of people working together for a better futur.
Around the time of 20:00, the local squatters wanted to view the contact of the film. I showed them the films and translated the part from Hebrew and Arabic During the films they asked some questions about my opinions, and i didn't deny that in my opinion it is not a balanced conflict but the Israelis have more power and they are the ones who occupy the Palestinians -But the movie doest discusse that but discuses the demonstration like any other film that was shown at the festival.
At the end if the screening, they decided that they are not ready to screen the film in their home, because of 2 main reasons:
1.
films that show the Israeli army and police oppressing demonstrators promotes antisemitism
2.
The films show only one side because they don't show Islamic terrorisms
One of them told me that on his opinion, the wall is good, because it protects the Jewish people and they should have their one state.
they also said that they have a long letter that is posted on the internet about the squats desiccation not to allow criticizers towards Israel, because of the place history and the holocaust.
I claimed that in my opinion this movie does the contary because it shows people that not all isrealies are brutal soldiers - many of them are activist against the things that the army is doing. For example, on the beginning of the film you see 2 recent demonstrations in Tel Aviv (10/6/2006 and 13/6/2006) of about 500 Israeli Jews, who demonstrate together on the streets against the Killings in Gaza. That demo was organized in a couple of hours at the same day that the killing took place, and it shows how big and how effective the activist movement in Israel really is. Those demos were oppressed violently like in Europe by the police. Here is a like to an internet version of one of the demos.
And also, i claimed that it's not a racist issue but a political one. The demonstrators are Jews and Arabs together! And not only that – the violent soldiers and policeman and woman are Arab druse, Ethiopians and Jews as well.
My last argument was that it doesn't matter if i am right or that they are right. Even if they think that my films are not good, or even if they think that they may support antisemitism i still may show the films and there topics should be discussed! It can't be left under the carped and ignored. A squat is an open space were people should be able to talk about topics that are contreversial in order to develom their minds, not only things that are consensuse.
One way or another, the squat collective decided in a consensuses between themselves that it should not be screen at the festival. I suggested maybe different videos from Israel and Palestine, i have more then 50 films that were made, some of those films by indymedia Israel distro. But they refused.
How can it be that on an indymedia film festival there is censorship, and not a censorship of a movie that is not relevant, or nor good, but a censorship due to right wing political opinions, that doest give a space for the left activists in Israel and Palestine because of German history.
One of the things that i always here from Israeli activist who visited Germany, is that a lot of German activists are supportive towards Israeli occupation of Palestine I understand that it may be hard for some Germans to criticize Israel, because of German history. I think that people should have the right to say their opinion and they also have the right to hide their opinions if they feel uncomfortable. But at the same way that i don't try to silent the ones who say that "Israel is doing a good thing with the wall" i think you should not try to silent the ones who claim the contrary!
How could it be that in Israel itself, it is still possible for an activist to express resistance towards the occupation in many ways, but in an activist leftist alternative squat in Germany, it is impossible The most conservative Film festivals around the world show movies about the Israeli occupation of Israeli and Palestinian film directors. How could it be that conservative places such as the Kan festival that represent the essence of capitalism are ready to be exposed to the Israeli and Palestinian left activists
I still didn't realise how seriose this thing is, and i think it should have consequences over the indymedia organization in Germany. The squatters hosting this festival refused to show indymedia films only from Israel such as "behind the disengagement" because they claim it promots antisemitism. They sound just like a right wing Zionist Israeli - and they are the one who promots all the things that they claim to be agaist. they do that by giving a back to the Israeli army to occupy millions. I don't care, they can give the back to whoever they want, people would realize what's going on in Gaza and the west bank, but why are they shutting the alternative views up? What to they have to be protected from?
I think that if they were really serious and if they really had good arguments that are pro occupation and pro wall, they would have allow the movie to be screened and talk about it later, like Israeli right wing activist do when they come to screening of left wing films and say their resist view after word. I don't care for squatters to be pro occupation or pro israeli as long as you allow other to exprese their views and you don't shut them up. If something like that would have happened in a squat in Israel, then that squat would be out of the activist chain and become alone. Not even one activist in Israel (Zionist, non-zionist, anarchist, communist) would allow such a thing and would contine to work with a squat the banns videos from non-violent demonstration against the wall.
At the end, everyone have the right to critic everything, everywhere, no matter what it says on his ID and no matter what color his passport is. First and foremost, we are all living creatures that has the basic right to be free and live a full and fulfilling life. The same way we shouldn't let borders such as nations, religion and race come between us, we shouldn't let those bounders define what we are allowed believe in an what not, and it should define what we are allowed to discuss and what not.
If it was a right wing conservative center that banned the films, then i would understand. But, The fact that the squatter see themselves as activist, or leftist, or anarchist that should create a more open and radical space, is what makes this incident the worst. The so called "squatters" (which i think are not following after the principles of squatting) would say the truth, that they are in fact conservative and have right-wing and narrow views. But not only about Israel, but also in general.
You can't eat the cake and leave it hole, you cant support demonstrations in Germany against the Army, against corporations, against the police, and against the animal exploitation, without supporting the same struggles in Israel for the reason of the history of Germany. Antisemitism is promoted by the main stream media that shows only violence in Israel and Palestine but doesn't show the demonstrators working together to change things.
But, at least, even if the squatters don't agree with all that i wrote here, they should never use censorship in order to protect themselves from those ideas i presented in this letter. They should let me and other indymedia activists who think differently then them, to express their ideas and say their opinion in a way that respects each other. If they don't want to do so, then i think that they shouldn't live in a squatting house, because squatting means more then taking over an unused house.
I hope this was helpful. Sorry for the bad English, and if i hurt anyone by this...
original report from IMC Israel:
https://israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/4794/index.php link to the festival page:
http://www.screen-flash.de.vu/
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Ergänzungen
Üble Gechichte
Dumm aber, wenn Menschen, die tatsächlich in reale, absolut ernsthafte Kämpfe auf Leben und Tod involviert sind, in diesen Kindergarten reingeraten. Noch schlimmer, wenn einem israelischen Linken von Deutschen "Linken" verboten wird, über seine Erfahrungen aus seinem Lebensalltag zu berichten. Und das nur, weil diese deutschen Kids in ihrem Räuber- und Gendarmspiel angst haben, blöd daszutehen, wenn da vielleicht was gesagt wird, was der Ideologie der Lieblingswohlfühlgruppe widerspricht.
Indymedia täte gut daran, sich von solchen Splittergrüppchen zumindest ein bischen zu distanzieren. Denn diese machen aus Indymedia das Gegenteil, was es eigentlich sein will.
Die Indyaktivisten aus Erfurt haben immerhin eine Ersatzveranstaltung zugesagt, da sie mit der Zensur auch nicht einverstanden waren, aber erst einmal nichts machen konnten (außer vielleicht das Festival abzubrechen?). Der israelische Anarchist hat aber abgelehnt.
komplette diskussion
Antwort eines israelischen Aktivisten
als Enkel Auschwitz- und Meidanek-Überlebender - aber weit wichtiger - als menschliches Wesen, habe ich die folgenden klaren und kurzen Aussagen beizutragen:
1. JEDES menschliche Wesen, besonders die neue Generation von Deutschen und Israelis, muss große Maßnahmen ergreifen, um weltweit Position gegen inhumane Behandlung von Menschen oder Tieren zu beziehen. Was Menschen betrifft, bedeutet dies offensichtlich Position zu beziehen gegen die schrecklichen Verbrechen, die in Nordkorea, in Darfur oder im faschistischen Staat Israel begangen werden.
Was den Nazistaat zu einem sehr kranken Ort machte, war überhaupt nicht die Naziideologie, die zu der Zeit eingeführt wurde, sondern eher die komplette Ruhe von Millionen Menschen. JedeR Einzelne dieser Millionen, die sich entschlossen wegzusehen, wann immer die Unmenschlichkeit ihren Kopf erhob, ist wirklich ein Kollaborateur der Nazis. Und jede Person, die heutzutage beschließt wegzusehen wenn täglich, stündlich inhumane Aktionen stattfinden, unterscheidet sich nicht von die Kollaborateuren der Nazis.
2. Die Länder, die durch Israel besetzt sind, sind ein nicht der Himmel für Juden, sondern buchstäblich eine lebende Hölle für palästinensische Nichtjuden.
3. "65% der Deutschen denken, daß Israel die größte Bedrohung des Weltfriedens ist" - ich weiß nicht, was ihr Beweggrund für diese Angaben ist, aber tatsächlich sind sie nah an der Wahrheit. Was läuft denn falsch bei den anderen 35%? Warum denken SIE nicht, dass Israel der größte oder zumindest einer der größten Akteure des Terrors auf der Welt ist - neben den USA und einigen anderen?!!
Es gibt klare Tatsachen, die dies zeigen und es weit davon entfernt eine Ansichtssache zu sein. JedeR kann in seriösen Menschenrechtsberichten Israels katastrophale Lage der Menschenrechte anschauen - es gibt eine enorme Menge dokumentierte Daten zu willkürlichen Tötungen, Folterungen, Zerstörungen von Häusern, Entführungen, fortwährender Belagerung und mehr - alles durchgeführt am hellichten Tag und unter israelischem Gesetz! (das einzige in der Welt, das die Folter legalisiert hat. sie ist seit dem verboten worden).
4. Das palästinensische Kufia (Palituch) ist in der Tat ein Symbol des palästinensischen Kampfes für Befreiung von der fortwährenden Unterdrückung und vom täglichen Terror (der Intifada) - es ist mittlerweile ein Symbol für Freiheitskämpfer weltweit.
Ich bin entsetzt zu hören, dass ihr, anstatt das Recht der Menschen zu unterstützen sich gegen tägliche Unterdrückung und Terror zu wehren, versucht die Stimmen zum schweigen zu bringen, die das grundlegende Recht der Menschen auf Freiheit unterstützen.
5. "Antisemitismus" bedeutet genauso gegen Juden wie gegen Araber zu sein, weil sie beide als "Semiten" angesehen werden. Diese Dummheit beiseite legend: Wenn irgendjemand Rassismus oder Xenophobie (Fremdenfeindlichkeit) bekämpfen möchte, muss man einfach nur den Menschen zeigen, dass die Trennung, die ein Mensch in seinem Kopf zwischen "ihnen" und "uns" kreiert, vollständig verrückt ist. Wenn man versucht Rassismus zu bekämpfen, indem man rassistische Forderungen stellt - ob für oder gegen Juden -, dann geht dies genau in die andere Richtung.
Statement
Das Hausplenum und die Kritik an Israel
Da es in letzter Zeit Diskussionen mit bzw. über Bands oder Veranstaltungen mit israelkritischem Inhalt im besetzten Haus gab und anscheinend diverse Gerüchte in Erfurt kursieren, möchten wir hier einiges klar stellen.
Vom Hausplenum, als politische Gruppe, wurde bisher keine Kritik an Israel geäußert und wir haben das auch in Zukunft nicht vor. Dafür gibt es mehrere Gründe:
Israel nimmt aufgrund seiner besonderen Entstehungsgeschichte[1] eine Sonderrolle als Schutzraum für Jüdinnen und Juden ein - und nur zur Erinnerung: die Generation deutscher Groß- und Urgroßeltern hatte vor ca. 60 Jahren den Versuch unternommen alle europäischen Juden und Jüdinnen auszurotten oder dies zumindest billigend in Kauf genommen. Die gesellschaftliche Stimmung in Deutschland ist derzeit (und schon seit längerem) sehr stark von antisemitischen Resentiments geprägt. Beispielsweise wären hier die Politiker Möllemann und Hohmann zu nennen, die versuchten mit antisemitischen Klischees zu punkten, oder auch die europaweite Umfrage, in der 65% der Deutschen Israel als die größte Bedrohung für den Weltfrieden angaben[2]. Die Berichterstattung über den Nahostkonflikt ist unreflektiert und einseitig und spielt oftmals mit altbekannten antisemitischen Klischees, wie dem "alttestamentarischen" Rachebedürfnis und dem kindermordenden Juden.
Wir sehen die Gefahr, dass Kritik an Israel zumeist AntisemitInnen in die Hände spielt oder antisemitische Stereotype reproduziert. Wir, und auch unser Publikum, sind in einer Gesellschaft aufgewachsen, in der antisemitische Stereotypen zum Alltag gehören und sind somit nicht frei von der Gefahr diese unreflektiert zu reproduzieren. Aus diesem Grund bevorzugen wir es, uns mit Antisemitismus auseinanderzusetzen, statt den Nahostkonflikt zu lösen.
Deshalb ist die öffentliche Kritik an und die Aufklärung über Antisemitismus ein Politikfeld des Hausplenums. Das Hausplenum bietet auch anderen Gruppen kein Podium für Israelkritik, da wir den Anspruch haben, dass im Haus keine Veranstaltungen mit israelkritischem Inhalt stattfinden und wir solche Veranstaltungen, Aktionen, etc. auch nicht unterstützen wollen. Personen bzw. Gruppen, denen wir aufgrund solcher Inhalte absagen, werfen wir damit jedoch nicht pauschal Antisemitismus vor.
Ein anderes Thema für nichtendenwollende Gerüchte, ist der Umgang mit PalituchträgerInnen im besetzten Haus. Wir finden das Tragen von Palitüchern grundsätzlich kritisierenswert (3), denken aber, dass nicht allein durch das Tragen eines Palituches die Motivation bzw. die Position der Trägerin deutlich wird. Das Palituch wird leider immernoch für ein Symbol linker Identität gehalten. Deshalb ist unserer Meinung nach mehr Aufklärung über die Bedeutung dieses Tuches notwendig. Wir versuchen BesucherInnen mit Palituch anzusprechen und sie über die Symbolik des Tuches zu informieren. Sollte sich bei dem Gespräch mit einer palituchtragenden Person herausstellen, dass eine antisemitische Motivation vorhanden ist, wird die Person selbstverständlich des Hauses verwiesen.
[1] Einer der Hauptgründe für die Gründung Israels ist der Versuch der Schaffung eines Schutzraumes für Jüdinnen und Juden nach dem Holocaust.
[2] Meldung bei Heise.de:
Komplettes Umfrageergebniss:
[3] Das Palituch wurde zum eigentlichen Symbol für den "palästinensischen Befreiungskampf". Einen kurzen Text zur Geschichte des Palituches, der ursprünglich von JungdemokratInnen/Junge Linke geschrieben und verteilt wurde, findet ihr unter:
Die BesetzerInnen des ehemaligen Topf & Söhne Geländes
Ich weiß nicht, ob es Zensur ist, wenn die BesetzerInnen keinen Bock drauf haben, an einem Täterort wie dem Topf & Söhne - Gelände (die Ofenbauer von Auschwitz und Buchenwald, falls es jemand noch nicht kapiert hat), den Nahost-Konflikt zu thematisieren. Die IMC-Israel-Leute sollten vielleicht mal bedenken, in welchen ressentimentgeladenen, antisemitischen Diskursen sie in Deutschland landen können. Nicht wenige Nazis zitieren genüsslich Leute wie Norman Finkelstein, weil es ihnen in den Kram passt, würden ihn aber bei Gelegenheit trotzdem ins Gas schickken. Das hat nix mit "anti-imp" und "antideutsch" zu tun sondern damit, dass in Deutschland "free-speech" nach hinten losgeht, v.a. wenn es um Jüdinnen und Juden geht.
Also noch mal zum Mitschreiben: im besetzten Haus Erfurt gibt es keine Bereitschaft, den Nahost-Konflikt zu thematisieren noch die Anmaßung, ihn lösen zu wollen. Wer das nicht akzeptieren kann, soll nicht lamentieren sondern sich um andere Örtlichkeiten bemühen.
Ich glaube auch nicht, dass die BesetzerInnen irgend jemandem verbieten möchten, sich damit zu beschäftigen. So anmaßend sind die nicht. Somit ist der Zensurvorwurf gegenstandslos, wenn auch mit diesem Kampfbegriff sich ordentlich Stimmung machen lässt.
@ 16.51
Es ist sogar mehr als nur einfache Zensur. Besonders wenn man bedenkt, wer hier wem den Mund verbietet! Hinzu kommt noch, daß es mehr als zynisch ist, einem Israeli ins Gesicht zu sagen, die Forderung nach Frieden sei antisemitisch und Israel müsse den Endkampf führen.
"Die IMC-Israel-Leute sollten vielleicht mal bedenken, in welchen ressentimentgeladenen, antisemitischen Diskursen sie in Deutschland landen können."
Nein, eher solltet ihr Deutschen mal anfangen zu bedenken, daß ihr die Welt mit euern deutschen ressentimentgeladenen Vorurteilen betrachtet und was ihr für eine Kontinunität da begeht.
"Nicht wenige Nazis zitieren genüsslich Leute wie Norman Finkelstein, weil es ihnen in den Kram passt, würden ihn aber bei Gelegenheit trotzdem ins Gas schickken."
Der Film hatte eine differenzierten Standpunkt. Nazis besetzen auch Häuser - also Erfurter Hausbesetzer gleich Nazis?
"...dass in Deutschland "free-speech" nach hinten losgeht, v.a. wenn es um Jüdinnen und Juden geht."
Typischer stalinistischer Blödsinn. In Deutschland gibt es da die meisten Probleme, wo Menschen daran gehindert werden, selbst zu denken und dieologisch bevormundet werden. Warum gibt es wohl in den Landstrichen, wo jeder BILD liesst und abweichende Meinungen nicht toleriert werden (also in bayerischen oder sächsischen Dörfern) mehr Hass und Intoleranz als in Berlin, Paris oder Rom? Schon mal nachgedacht, daß ihr Stalinos euch in der Frage der Emanzipation nicht großartig von Faschisten unterscheidet?
"Also noch mal zum Mitschreiben: im besetzten Haus Erfurt gibt es keine Bereitschaft, den Nahost-Konflikt zu thematisieren noch die Anmaßung, ihn lösen zu wollen"
Doch - siehe Stament, siehe Zensur, siehe deine Rechtfertigungsparolen und die Unfähigkeit von euch, Kritik anzunehmen.
"So anmaßend sind die nicht. Somit ist der Zensurvorwurf gegenstandslos, wenn auch mit diesem Kampfbegriff sich ordentlich Stimmung machen lässt."
Ihr habt zensiert. Und du hast Zensur gerade verteidigt. Also den letzten Satz kannste dir echt sonstwohin stecken!
Kann man den Film eigentlich irgendwo sehen?
Indymedia sollte den Film zugänglich machen, z.B. über Indypeer.org? Damit können sich die user selbst ein Urteil bilden.
Beiträge die keine inhaltliche Ergänzung darstellen
Antideutsche in der Klemme — Haha
Der alte Reflex — ...
Das Problem... — ..
Aua! — reglonanar
Das andere — Problem
AD´s Adé — Antimachtdoof
@Antimachtdoof — Frage
@ ola loa — Hansi
Das Statement bestätigt alle Vorurteile — Anarchist
Hausbesetzer sind Täter — 1
@Antwort eines israelischen Aktivisten — ---
Billige Polemik @ -- — Jemand
mods — ---
Israelis können nur das richtige sagen — icke
Israelkritik über alles? — egal
Zensur über alles? — Fuck Kommies
Am besten — soso